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		<title>By: Big Mo</title>
		<link>http://jscafenette.com/2007/07/06/pick-your-analogy/#comment-2621</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Mo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 12:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My long posts have been convoluted lately, so I'll keep it short ;)

We went to Iraq with the best of intentions, with too much of an emphasis on WMD, as there was certainly enough reasons to resume the war with Iraq (I can expand on that if you wish);

The intel was totally wrong, for whatever reasons. I do not and never will believe it was manufactured, or that it was a lie. It was just WRONG.

The intial mission has long since been accomplished, e.g., getting rid of Saddam and his evil regime. 

What we're doing in Iraq NOW is something different -- and that IS central to the war on terror. How we got there is, believe it or not, regardless to the situation now. Our enemy is fighting hard to make Iraq its own. Because we went into Iraq, and stayed, it has now become THE battleground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My long posts have been convoluted lately, so I&#8217;ll keep it short <img src='http://jscafenette.com/smilies/yahoo_wink.gif' alt='&#59;&#41;' class='wp-smiley' width='18' height='18' title='&#59;&#41;' /></p>
<p>We went to Iraq with the best of intentions, with too much of an emphasis on WMD, as there was certainly enough reasons to resume the war with Iraq (I can expand on that if you wish);</p>
<p>The intel was totally wrong, for whatever reasons. I do not and never will believe it was manufactured, or that it was a lie. It was just WRONG.</p>
<p>The intial mission has long since been accomplished, e.g., getting rid of Saddam and his evil regime. </p>
<p>What we&#8217;re doing in Iraq NOW is something different &#8212; and that IS central to the war on terror. How we got there is, believe it or not, regardless to the situation now. Our enemy is fighting hard to make Iraq its own. Because we went into Iraq, and stayed, it has now become THE battleground.</p>
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		<title>By: ~J~</title>
		<link>http://jscafenette.com/2007/07/06/pick-your-analogy/#comment-2613</link>
		<dc:creator>~J~</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 07:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn't AFP Agence French Press?  A general, who was the Iraqi Air Force second in command stands by it and has written a book, which I have but have not yet read.

I have other sources but thought you would think them too partisan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t AFP Agence French Press?  A general, who was the Iraqi Air Force second in command stands by it and has written a book, which I have but have not yet read.</p>
<p>I have other sources but thought you would think them too partisan.</p>
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		<title>By: Ayschlay</title>
		<link>http://jscafenette.com/2007/07/06/pick-your-analogy/#comment-2610</link>
		<dc:creator>Ayschlay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 07:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the Global Security article, published in April, 2003, this is when US officials and other backers of the war were still expecting to find evidence of WMD, and beginning to get anxious about the lack of it.

The US weapons inspector at the time, David Kay, had been telling the press that US troops would no doubt uncover this evidence, but in his &lt;a href="http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/01/28/kay.transcript/" rel="nofollow"&gt;2004 testimony&lt;/a&gt; before Congress, he had to report finding practically nothing that indicated existing WMD, or even much of a program to build WMD.

My big question still is who is still making the WMD case now?  I think those who were trumpeting WMD in Iraq are now focused on Iran.  Life just ain't worth living unless we have a boogeyman.

As for the AFP report--what's AFP?  I wonder if this Syrian journalist is standing by his claim 3 1/2 years later, or if others have substantiated them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the Global Security article, published in April, 2003, this is when US officials and other backers of the war were still expecting to find evidence of WMD, and beginning to get anxious about the lack of it.</p>
<p>The US weapons inspector at the time, David Kay, had been telling the press that US troops would no doubt uncover this evidence, but in his <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/01/28/kay.transcript/" rel="nofollow">2004 testimony</a> before Congress, he had to report finding practically nothing that indicated existing WMD, or even much of a program to build WMD.</p>
<p>My big question still is who is still making the WMD case now?  I think those who were trumpeting WMD in Iraq are now focused on Iran.  Life just ain&#8217;t worth living unless we have a boogeyman.</p>
<p>As for the AFP report&#8211;what&#8217;s AFP?  I wonder if this Syrian journalist is standing by his claim 3 1/2 years later, or if others have substantiated them?</p>
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		<title>By: ~J~</title>
		<link>http://jscafenette.com/2007/07/06/pick-your-analogy/#comment-2600</link>
		<dc:creator>~J~</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 22:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.2la.org/syria/iraq-wmd.php" rel="nofollow"&gt;Here's a Jan. '04 AFP article&lt;/a&gt; claiming WMD were transferred to Syria, and if you check the link at the bottom you will see photos of what were or are believed to have been WMD sites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.2la.org/syria/iraq-wmd.php" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s a Jan. &#8216;04 AFP article</a> claiming WMD were transferred to Syria, and if you check the link at the bottom you will see photos of what were or are believed to have been WMD sites.</p>
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		<title>By: ~J~</title>
		<link>http://jscafenette.com/2007/07/06/pick-your-analogy/#comment-2597</link>
		<dc:creator>~J~</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 22:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2003/030405-chem-readiness01.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;Here's an AP story published at Global Security.org&lt;/a&gt;

The applicable paragraph from this AP story is this:
&lt;blockquote&gt;The presence of atropine, and the discovery of gas masks and chemical suits earlier in the war, could indicate Iraq was preparing to use chemical weapons.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2003/030405-chem-readiness01.htm" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s an AP story published at Global Security.org</a></p>
<p>The applicable paragraph from this AP story is this:</p>
<blockquote><p>The presence of atropine, and the discovery of gas masks and chemical suits earlier in the war, could indicate Iraq was preparing to use chemical weapons.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Ayschlay</title>
		<link>http://jscafenette.com/2007/07/06/pick-your-analogy/#comment-2590</link>
		<dc:creator>Ayschlay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 20:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the visit Ken Larson and I will check out your links.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the visit Ken Larson and I will check out your links.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Larson</title>
		<link>http://jscafenette.com/2007/07/06/pick-your-analogy/#comment-2586</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Larson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 20:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a 2 tour Vietnam Veteran who recently retired after 36 years of working in the Defense Industrial Complex on many of the weapons systems being used by our forces as we speak.  I  believed another Vietnam could be avoided with defined missions and the best armaments in the world. 

It made no difference.  

We have bought into the Military Industrial Complex (MIC).  If you would like to read how this happens please see:

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/03/spyagency200703 

Through a combination of public apathy and threats by the MIC we have let the SYSTEM get too large. It is now a SYSTEMIC problem and the SYSTEM is out of control. Government and industry are merging and that is very dangerous.  

There is no conspiracy. The SYSTEM has gotten so big that those who make it up and run it day to day in industry and government simply are perpetuating their existance.

The politicians rely on them for details and recommendations because they cannot possibly grasp the nuances of the environment and the BIG SYSTEM.

So, the system has to go bust and then be re-scaled, fixed and re-designed to run efficiently and prudently, just like any other big machine that runs poorly or becomes obsolete or dangerous.

This situation will right itself through trauma. I see a government ENRON on the horizon, with an associated house cleaning.

The next president will come and go along with his appointees and politicos. The event to watch is the collapse of the MIC.

For more details see:

http://rosecoveredglasses.blogspot.com/2006/11/inside-pentagon-procurement-from.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a 2 tour Vietnam Veteran who recently retired after 36 years of working in the Defense Industrial Complex on many of the weapons systems being used by our forces as we speak.  I  believed another Vietnam could be avoided with defined missions and the best armaments in the world. </p>
<p>It made no difference.  </p>
<p>We have bought into the Military Industrial Complex (MIC).  If you would like to read how this happens please see:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/03/spyagency200703" rel="nofollow">http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/03/spyagency200703</a> </p>
<p>Through a combination of public apathy and threats by the MIC we have let the SYSTEM get too large. It is now a SYSTEMIC problem and the SYSTEM is out of control. Government and industry are merging and that is very dangerous.  </p>
<p>There is no conspiracy. The SYSTEM has gotten so big that those who make it up and run it day to day in industry and government simply are perpetuating their existance.</p>
<p>The politicians rely on them for details and recommendations because they cannot possibly grasp the nuances of the environment and the BIG SYSTEM.</p>
<p>So, the system has to go bust and then be re-scaled, fixed and re-designed to run efficiently and prudently, just like any other big machine that runs poorly or becomes obsolete or dangerous.</p>
<p>This situation will right itself through trauma. I see a government ENRON on the horizon, with an associated house cleaning.</p>
<p>The next president will come and go along with his appointees and politicos. The event to watch is the collapse of the MIC.</p>
<p>For more details see:</p>
<p><a href="http://rosecoveredglasses.blogspot.com/2006/11/inside-pentagon-procurement-from.html" rel="nofollow">http://rosecoveredglasses.blogspot.com/2006/11/inside-pentagon-procurement-from.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ayschlay</title>
		<link>http://jscafenette.com/2007/07/06/pick-your-analogy/#comment-2583</link>
		<dc:creator>Ayschlay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 19:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J, don't know about the chemical suits.  What's your source?  I'll see what I can find out on my own as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J, don&#8217;t know about the chemical suits.  What&#8217;s your source?  I&#8217;ll see what I can find out on my own as well.</p>
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		<title>By: ~J~</title>
		<link>http://jscafenette.com/2007/07/06/pick-your-analogy/#comment-2580</link>
		<dc:creator>~J~</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 19:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A-

Just here for a quick break, but I asked why you thought the Iraqi soldiers had chemical suits when we first went into Iraq and you didn't give me your theory on that.

I'm asking again, directly, why do you think they had chemical suits at the ready if there were no threat of WMD?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A-</p>
<p>Just here for a quick break, but I asked why you thought the Iraqi soldiers had chemical suits when we first went into Iraq and you didn&#8217;t give me your theory on that.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m asking again, directly, why do you think they had chemical suits at the ready if there were no threat of WMD?</p>
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		<title>By: Ayschlay</title>
		<link>http://jscafenette.com/2007/07/06/pick-your-analogy/#comment-2578</link>
		<dc:creator>Ayschlay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 16:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adios.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adios.</p>
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