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Written by GussThe American withdrawal from Vietnam is widely remembered as an ignominious end to a misguided war — but one with few negative repercussions for the United States and its allies.
Now, in urging Americans to stay the course in Iraq, President Bush is challenging that historical memory.
In reminding Americans that the pullout in 1975 was followed by years of bloody upheaval in Southeast Asia, Mr. Bush argued in a speech on Wednesday that Vietnam’s lessons provide a reason for persevering in Iraq, rather than for leaving any time soon. Mr. Bush in essence accused his war critics of amnesia over the exodus of Vietnamese “boat people” refugees and the mass killings in Cambodia that upended the lives of millions of people.
President Bush is right on the factual record, according to historians. But many of them also quarreled with his drawing analogies from the causes of that turmoil to predict what might happen in Iraq should the United States withdraw.
“It is undoubtedly true that America’s failure in Vietnam led to catastrophic consequences in the region, especially in Cambodia,” said David C. Hendrickson, a specialist on the history of American foreign policy at Colorado College in Colorado Springs.
“But there are a couple of further points that need weighing,” he added. “One is that the Khmer Rouge would never have come to power in the absence of the war in Vietnam — this dark force arose out of the circumstances of the war, was in a deep sense created by the war. The same thing has happened in the Middle East today. Foreign occupation of Iraq has created far more terrorists than it has deterred.”
The record of death and dislocation after the American withdrawal from Vietnam ranks high among the tragedies of the last century, with an estimated 1.7 million Cambodians, about one-fifth of the population, dying under the rule of Pol Pot, and an estimated 1.5 million Vietnamese and other Indochinese becoming refugees. Estimates of the number of Vietnamese who were sent to prison camps after the war have ranged widely, from 50,000 to more than 400,000, and some accounts have said that tens of thousands perished, a figure that Mr. Bush cited in his speech, to the Veterans of Foreign Wars. Mr. Bush did not offer a judgment on what, if anything, might have brought victory in Vietnam or whether the war itself was a mistake. Instead, he sought to underscore the dangers of a hasty withdrawal from Iraq.
But the American drawdown from Vietnam was hardly abrupt, and it lasted much longer than many people remember. The withdrawal actually began in 1968, after the Tet offensive, which was a military defeat for the Communist guerrillas and their North Vietnamese sponsors. But it also illustrated the vulnerability of the United States and its South Vietnamese allies.




Big Mo Says:
August 23rd, 2007 at 9:09 amVisit Big Mo
The historian is not correct. He’s comparing the wrong things by confusing the reasons for being there in the first place and the affects of leaving.
The historian is using the wrong cause-and-effect argument. While what he says may be true, that wasn’t what Bush was saying at all.
Sure, it’s probably true that Pol Pot and his thugs probably would not have come to power had we not gone into Nam in force. Likewise, it’s probably true that al Qaeda would never have tried to make Iraq into a stronghold had we not taken out Saddam and his barbarous regime. But neither of those was the point of Bush’s remarks.
LEAVING before the job was finished created the cricumstances that gave rise to Pol Pot and company and their killing fields, the Vietnam boat people, re-education camps, millions of deaths, etc. Likewise, if we leave Iraq before the job is finished in Iraq, we will give rise to similar circumstances. THAT was Bush’s point.
So, the historian may have some history right, but he needs to clean the wax out of his ears.
Guss Says:
August 23rd, 2007 at 9:11 amVisit Guss
Big Mo,
For some strange reason, I thought you’d say that.
Big Mo Says:
August 23rd, 2007 at 1:05 pmVisit Big Mo
Am I becoming predictable? Is the love gone out of this relationship?
Guss Says:
August 23rd, 2007 at 1:16 pmVisit Guss
It’s like any other relationship. After awhile you know exactly what the other one is going to say.